Thursday, March 31, 2011
Wednesday, March 30, 2011
California Assembly Bill Would Freeze Pay of State Employees Earning $150,000+; Urges Regents to Comply
Committee OKs freeze on state pay over $150,000 per year (excerpt)
The Assembly Public Employees, Retirement and Social Security Committee has approved a bill that would freeze the pay of state employees earning more than $150,000 per year. Assembly Bill 7, authored by Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-Pasadena, prohibits the salary increases or bonuses for those higher-end employees until Jan.1, 2014, while they are employed in the same position or job classification…
The article provides a link to the bill. The bill contains the following language related to UC:
At a time when the University of California Board of Regents is raising student fees, it is imperative that they show leadership and fiscal responsibility for two years by not granting raises or bonuses for employees that make in excess of $150,000 per year. The Legislature urges the Regents of the University of California and the Board of Directors of the Hastings College of the Law to adopt the policy expressed in this section for individuals employed by those entities.
An article in USA Today published about a year ago, however, profiled UCLA - along with other universities - as competing for commercial business and certainly accepting it:
Meeting planners cut back on conventions at pricey hotels (excerpt)
USA Today, 4/13/10, Roger Yu
Epstein, regional director of development for Crohn's & Colitis Foundation of America, has a slashed budget this year. So returning to the Millennium Biltmore Hotel in downtown Los Angeles for the foundation's annual convention would be out of the question. Instead, she's going to an unlikely venue: University of California-Los Angeles.
UCLA leases its conference center to groups looking for places to meet and at the right price for Epstein — about half what she spent last year.
"I'm surprised we didn't think of it sooner," she says. "I went to college, too, and I don't remember the school having conferences."
University campuses, such as UCLA and the University of Maryland, do host conferences. And they're increasingly appealing places for businesses, associations and other groups to have conventions as meeting planners face tight budgets and low attendance during the economic slump...Some planners bypass full-service hotels altogether. Colorado-based Unique Venues, which matches meeting planners with non-traditional meeting venues, has seen the number of leads grow 30% in the last year, says President Chuck Salem. In addition to university campuses and suburban conference centers, even camps and cruise ships are generally more affordable than full-service hotels in city centers, Salem says.
An overnight meeting at UCLA, for example, can start at about $135 a person, including a meeting room with audiovisual equipment and three meals, he says. And it's not dorm cafeteria food.
"They have sushi, Thai and Italian," he says. "And you don't have to wear flip-flops to go to the bathroom."...
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Full article at http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2010-04-13-conventions13_CV_N.htm#
A little music at the April 6th forum on the hotel/conference center might help resolve this issue of commercial business or not. A modest proposal:
It describes a building project on the northwest section of the campus - not the Faculty Center location - which will include a restaurant seating 750, a ballroom, and "sleeping rooms" for guests. You can even link to webcams to watch the construction. See the large bold italicized text.-------
UCLA Housing Construction & Growth for Summer Conferences
Posted on September 21, 2010 by UCLA Conferences & Catering
In 1959, UCLA opened Dykstra Hall–its first residence hall on the northwest campus. During the past five decades, we’ve added high-rise residence halls, plaza rooms with private bathrooms, and suite-style accommodations. Now, the northwest campus is lovingly referred to by students as “The Hill,” a vibrant community of almost 10,000 student-residents during the academic year. To meet its goal of providing four years of student housing for all incoming freshmen, UCLA is currently building 1,525 additional bed spaces.
This project will have a huge impact on UCLA’s summer conference program. Not only will we have more than 1,500 additional sleeping rooms for conference guests, but also additional meeting spaces, a brand new residential restaurant with seating for 750, and a ballroom with views of the UCLA campus for up to 450 guests. All of the new buildings achieve the U.S. Green Building Council’s “LEED Silver Rating” and are scheduled to be completed in Fall 2013.
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I guess it's just hard for the construction folks to stop partying:
Tuesday, March 29, 2011
Brown did not specify what he would do next…
Brown is considering alternative ways to put tax extensions on the ballot, either by a majority in the Legislature or by a ballot initiative. He suggested in his release that he may be skeptical of the majority-vote approach, saying the Constitution requires a two-thirds majority.
If the talks are truly dead, the issue of the November ballot initiatives (see earlier blog posts) arises. One, as noted in prior posts, would impose a 60% cap on public pensions, clearly for new hires. Exactly what it intends for existing workers - the initiative is badly drafted and may be amended at this stage - is unclear. It does explicitly cover UC and thus would override the Regents' changes in the UC pension plan of last December.
In negotiations, sometimes what appears dead revives. But the reverse may have occurred here:
But the State Normal School itself had an earlier history. It was first located on the site of what is now the Central Library of LA City. This photo shows that downtown campus circa 1900.
The photo, related photos, and information on this earlier history can be found at http://blogdowntown.com/2011/03/6199-why-doesnt-hope-go-through-las-state-normal
That latest statement is puzzling as it refers to the consultant's report on the project and yet seems to contradict it. The consultant seemed to assume that there would be outside (non-UCLA) business conducted at the hotel/conference center. The consultant's report had estimates of taxes to be paid. However, the most recent statement from the powers-that-be at UCLA says there will be no commercial business - because then the hotel/conference center would have to pay taxes and tax-exempt financing would not be available.
Here are some quotes on that issue from yesterday's declaration:
...In any case, tax laws prevent UCLA from operating a private business such as hotel, said Steve Olsen, vice chancellor for budget, finance and capital programs. “UCLA has to abide by these private-use restrictions in order to be able to use tax-exempt financing,” Olsen said.
The new statement thus raises interesting questions:
If the consultant assumed there would be commercial business, but now there won't be, wouldn't the consultant's estimates of occupancy rates be too high?
If UCLA pledges to take only UCLA business at its hotel/conference center, doesn't that still divert business away from commercial hotels in the area that now handle that business? If so, doesn't that reduce tax revenue from those hotels going to local jurisdictions?
Exactly what is commercial-prohibited (non-UCLA) business? What is the status of the following examples, commercial-prohibited or UCLA?
- Are relatives and friends coming to a student's graduation commercial-prohibited business or UCLA business?
- If someone on UCLA business - say a guest speaker in a campus program - wants to stay some extra days before or after the official event for personal/touristic reasons - is that commercial-prohibited business?
- If a UCLA faculty or staff member wants to put up a guest here on personal/touristic business, will that be allowed or is it commercial-prohibited business?
- If a retired faculty or staff who now lives out of town wants to come to LA and stay at the hotel for personal/touristic reasons, is that commercial-prohibited business?
- Can a graduate of UCLA who now lives out of town stay at the hotel for personal/touristic reasons or is that commercial-prohibited business?
- If someone coming from out of town to an early-morning program/event or a late evening program/event at UCLA wants to stay overnight, is that commercial-prohibited business? (The UCLA Anderson forecast conference starts around 7:30 am so folks from the Bay Area might come down the night before, for example. Concerts and other performances on campus often end late in the evening.)
- If parents are taking high school seniors on college tours and want to visit UCLA, could they stay at the hotel? Or is that commercial-prohibited business because the senior is only a possible applicant for enrollment?
- If a non-UCLA individual wants to stay at the hotel to visit someone at the UCLA hospital, is that commercial-prohibited business?
You can "Bet your Life" - as Groucho old TV show was entitled, that there will be interesting questions and observations such as these at the upcoming April 6th meeting:
Monday, March 28, 2011
A major problem is that we have no indication that anyone at UCOP or the Regents is communicating directly with the governor. Even apart from the personnel issues of revamping the UC pension plan, both UCOP and the Regents ought to be concerned with protecting the constitutional autonomy of UC. There is more at stake than just pensions. But UCOP and the Regents appear to be out of the loop.
The excerpt below from today’s Calpensions.com blog indicates that both the governor and the GOP have concerns about the current makeup of the boards that control the state’s two biggest pension funds: CalPERS and CalSTRS. Basically, the concerns revolve around conflict of interest – union-backed candidates on the boards – and oversight (various recent scandals relating to investment decisions of fund money). As far as is known, no such concerns have been raised by either the governor or the Republicans about the control of the UC pension system. The board that oversees the UC pension system is the Regents, whose members are appointed by the governor and approved the legislature.
Since neither the governor nor the legislative Republicans seem concerned about the Regents as trustees of the UC pension, that view would give UC an opening for arguing that UC’s pension should be left in the hands of the Regents and not thrown in with some broad reform of all public pensions. The Regents last December already approved various pension changes and a funding plan for the UC retirement system. Of course, for that argument to be made, UCOP and the Regents would have to insert themselves (now!) into the negotiations between the governor and the GOP legislators.
Below are excerpt from the calpensions article:
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New pension reform issue: board makeup (excerpt):
Ed Mendel, calpensions, 3/28/11
Should the makeup of the governing boards of the two big state pension funds, CalPERS and CalSTRS, be changed? The issue edged into the spotlight last week, pushed from the shadows by rising government pension costs and a CalPERS corruption scandal. It’s not the major overhaul advocated by some, where the traditional stakeholder board of management and labor representatives is replaced by a board majority chosen for their expertise in finance and investments. That kind of change happened in San Diego, one of the first public pension meltdowns, and in San Jose, where Mayor Chuck Reed successfully pushed pension reform ballot measures last fall.
But a Senate Republican list of pension reforms given Gov. Brown in budget talks, reported by the Sacramento Bee late last week, contains this brief notation, where “admin” apparently indicates a proposal or agreement by the Brown administration:
- Governing board conflict of interest and greater transparency (Admin: Add 2 public members to each retirement board. For CalPERS, switch SPB representative to DOF).” The abbreviations for the California Public Employees Retirement System switch refer to the five-member State Personnel Board, which handles civil service issues, and the administration’s Department of Finance.
One of the eight points in the pension reform plan Brown issued during his campaign calls for “independent oversight” of the pension funds and monitoring by the Department of Finance.
Another point calls for heightened board “standards and accountability” and specialized training for board members. The main qualification for the unpaid CalPERS board is who they represent, not what they know about pensions and investments…
You will be seeing flyers such as the one on the right and related yard signs in the neighborhoods around UCLA. As the flyer points out, there is a public meeting at the Faculty Center about this issue on Wednesday, April 6, at 7 PM.
Earlier posts on this blog have summarized the issues involved. The most recent development was the strong vote against the project by members of the Faculty Club.
The flyer text reproduced above may not be clear, due to technical limitations. The print below the two photos on the flyer reads:
Picture this on Hilgard and Westholme!
(Univ. of Texas Hotel and Faculty Club is the model for UCLA Hotel. http://www.meetattexas.com)
- RESPECT LOCAL ZONING: This proposal violates city zoning, will generate thousands of additional daily car trips and has a parking shortfall of about 500 spaces
- CONFERENCE CENTER YES. HOTEL, NO. Use local hotels and restaurants that pay taxes to the city – revitalize Westwood Village, don’t compete!
- LA Conservancy strongly supports preservation of the 50-year old Faculty Center
- $160 million for a future white elephant (before cost-overruns, like 39% for the Hospital) 282 room, $250/night luxury hotel using substantial student housing reserve funds is unseemly when the UC budget is being cut to the bone
- FACULTY OPPOSED: Faculty Center membership voted 815 to 269 against demolition of existing one-story Faculty Center for a massive six-story hotel
- Commercial intrusion into heart of the historic campus
- City will lose $5 million annually because UCLA does not pay hotel bed tax (14%), parking lot tax (10%) or proposed tourism tax (1.5%)
This is urgent! The project will go to the Regents in May.
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UPDATE: The administration has circulated its version of the proposal today via email and in an article in UCLA Today at http://today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/policy-would-restrict-use-of-residential-199646.aspx. A key element in this version is a pledge that no non-UCLA business would be done in the new hotel/conference center. Of course, that limitation would cut the hotel/conference center off from a potential revenue stream, which - on its face - seems to add to the financial risk. Moreover, it is unlikely to assuage neighborhood groups since the project creates the same objection for them, regardless of whose business it is doing. Finally, commercial hotels in the area are currently getting some UCLA business which will be diverted from them. So they won't be happy, either.
Question: The current plan could well lead to litigation, problems with neighbors, local hotels, and local politicians. Before the April 6th meeting, wouldn't it be useful to signal that the project planning is being slowed for more review? Wouldn't it be useful to begin thinking about a scaled-back Plan B? Just asking.
Sunday, March 27, 2011
Saturday, March 26, 2011
The article also notes that Gov. Brown is willing to accept a pension cap of $106,000. That is different from the initiative which has a 60% final pay cap. But it is unacceptable for UC faculty and would override the Regents' December decision. If such a pension deal covered UC - and the GOP initiative explicitly does cover UC - it would undermine the constitutional autonomy of the university. Yet, as far as is known, neither UCOP nor the Regents are pressing the governor on these points.
A previous posting on this blog reprinted the entire pension initiative so no one could say later that what was happening was unknown. This posting is a second warning.
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Budget talks deteriorate as GOP unveils big request list (excerpt)David Siders and Kevin Yamamura, Sacramento Bee, 3/26/11
State budget talks between Gov. Jerry Brown and Republican lawmakers deteriorated Friday as Republicans released a long list of proposals to overhaul California government that Democrats said had further divided the parties.
According to a document Senate Republicans provided to reporters, they asked Brown for pension cuts to current and future employees, as well as changes to teacher tenure that reward performance and a hard cap on future state spending, among dozens of ideas.
The Republican document also said the GOP sought a June ballot that asks voters for only an 18-month extension in higher taxes on vehicles, sales and income, while Brown wants five additional years of those tax rates. He needs at least two Republican votes in each house to place the measure before voters...
According to GOP notes, Brown is willing to accept a $106,000 per year cap on final pension amounts and impose new restrictions intended to block workers from spiking their payouts. But he rejected increases in cost-sharing, as well as any move toward a 401(k) style plan, for current employees. He was, however, open to creating a hybrid option for future workers...
We did ask some representatives of UCOP and the Regents about what was happening in Sacramento but they seemed unconcerned:
Friday, March 25, 2011
Yesenia Amaro, March 24, 2011, Merced Sun-Star
University of California at Merced officials say students will soon have more space to exercise and hold meetings… The university recently received approval to move forward with its Recreation Center North project, an estimated 20,000-square-foot recreation building.
Jane Lawrence, vice chancellor for student affairs, said the university received an $8.5 million loan from the UC Office of the President to pay for the construction. The university will repay the loan with an existing student fee. No new student fees will be charged.
The project consists of a two-story building that will be behind the existing recreation building. The facility will feature office space for recreation and athletic staff, and a large weight room…
UT regents' special adviser losing his job: Rick O'Donnell's criticism of academic research didn't sit well with lawmakers, others.
A special adviser with controversial views on research, teaching and other matters was reassigned by the University of Texas System on Thursday to a new job that will end by Aug. 31. The move is unlikely to quell concerns about the direction of the state's largest and most prestigious university system under Gene Powell, chairman of the Board of Regents, whose priorities echo a number of those expressed by Gov. Rick Perry.
Indeed, the Ex-Students' Association of UT-Austin, also known as the Texas Exes, said Thursday evening that it was calling on alumni to urge regents to renounce the special adviser's assertions that much academic research lacks value and that some tenured faculty members should be replaced with lower-cost instructors. The Exes called such views "the most serious threat our university has faced in years." ...
Full story at http://www.statesman.com/news/local/ut-regents-special-adviser-losing-his-job-1347933.html
It's no picnic in Texas:
Thursday, March 24, 2011
The second is essentially a revival of the old GANN initiative that was passed by voters shortly after Prop 13. The GANN limit restricted the rise in state spending (general fund plus other funds) to the inflation rate plus the growth in population. GANN was essentially gutted in the late 1980s by Prop 98 and a later related proposition that determined spending on K-14 by formula.
The pension initiative reproduced below, aside from overriding the Regents' decision, compromises the constitutional autonomy of UC. However, it is unclear what legal action the Regents or UC would take should it pass.
While it takes only $200 to file initiatives, typically another $1 to $2 million is needed to hire signature gatherers. Even if an initiative gets on the ballot, if it is controversial, tens of millions of additional dollars in TV and other advertising may be required to promote it.
The two initiatives that were submitted, however, appear to correspond to the positions taken by Republicans who have been negotiating with the governor over the "price" of their votes for his tax extension proposal. In turn, the governor has hinted that if he cannot reach a deal, he would go the initiative route which would likely mean a November election. It is probable that if the governor went the November-initiative route, the pension and GANN-type initiatives would also have sufficient money behind them to wind up on the same ballot.
The other possibility is that these two proposed initiatives are being presented to the governor as the blueprints of the price for the needed Republican votes. In that case, the initiatives may be variants on what the governor might agree to. Reports suggest that something along these lines is occurring in negotiations with the governor. See http://www.capitolweekly.net/article.php?1=1&_c=zl1ivz3w3mpn3x&xid=zl0x4me01b52yb&done=.zl0xrt3m4xw9f1&_ce=1301026117.d51e10cd825ba76daf2f7e3a35a5a294&_c=zl1ivz3w3mpn3x
As far as can be determined from public sources, UC has not weighed in with the governor concerning its position regarding the pension proposal. For that reason, I am reprinting the pension initiative below in its entirety so it cannot be said from this point on that no one at UCOP was aware of what was happening.
Large bold text has been added to pertinent elements in the initiative.
INITIATIVE MEASURE TO BE SUBMITTED DIRECTLY TO VOTERS
SECTION I. STATEMENT OF FINDINGS
A. Government has an obligation to provide adequate health and retirement benefits to its employees;
B. At the same time, government has a responsibility to its taxpayers to insure that such benefits are reasonable and adequately funded;
C. Pension benefits for existing employees are excessive and threaten the economic viability of state and local governments. A recent report by the State's Little Hoover Commission concludes, that the current system is fiscally "unsustainable;
D. Government finance experts have determined that the pension and retiree health provided public employees are significantly more generous than other states. It has been reported that more than 15;000 persons receive pension benefits in excess of $100,000 per year. Under the current system, some public employees can actually receive more income in retirement than they earned while working.
E, In the 1930's, our state established a retirement age for government employees
of 65. Now many government employees can retire in there [sic] 50's, notwithstanding a
much longer life expectancy. As a result, many retirees will receive a government
pension for more years than they actually worked for the government.
F. The current system has led to billions of dollars of unfunded liabilities for pension obligations of government employees. The taxes needed to adequately fund such benefits would crush the economy. The investment proceeds needed to fund such benefits are non-existent. Many local governments will be threatened with bankruptcy if no change is made right now .
SECTION 2. STATEMENT OF PURPOSE
A. The people hereby enact the "Public Employee Pension Reform Act" to;
1) provide fiscally responsible pension benefits for all government employees; and
2) Reform the excessive pension benefits provided to current government employees.
SECTION 3. Public Employee Pension Reform Act
Section 12 of Article VII of the California Constitution is added to read:
Sec. 12(a) Public agencies may provide reasonable pension benefits for all employees
hired after the effective date of this section, subject to all of the limitations of this section.
(b) Any plan providing for pension benefits for employees of a public agency who are
employed on the effective date of this section, shall comply with retirement age limitation
in subdivision (f)(1), whether enacted by law or by contract, notwithstanding section 9 of
(c) This section does not apply to or limit disability benefits for public agency employees
or death benefits for families of public agency employees.
(d) Public agencies shall retain exclusive authority to modify the terms of pension, retiree health, or other retirement benefits provided to its employees and may not relinquish such authority in any employee contract or collective bargaining agreement.
(e) A public agency may not provide retroactive increases in pension benefits to any
public agency employee under any plan.
(e) A public agency providing pension benefits to its employees shall:
(1) provide for full retirement ages of all employees no less than 62 years of age;
(2) require a public agency employee to have been a full time employee of one or more public agencies for at least five consecutive years;
(3) limit retirement benefits for a public agency employee to no more than sixty percent (60%) of the highest annual average base wage of the employee over a period of three consecutive years of employment by a public agency. Any additional payment, including but not limited to, overtime pay, bonus pay, severance pay, and payments for accrued but unused vacation and sick days shall be excluded from calculating the annual average base wage.
(4) require the public agency employee to contribute an amount at least equal to the amount provided by the public agency to fund the plan.
(g) As used in this section:
(1) "Public agency employee" and "employee" mean a person who is or becomes a full-time employee of a public agency. [Italics added]
(2) "Public agency" means the state or a political subdivision of the state, including, but not limited to, counties, cities, charter counties" charter cities, charter city and counties, school district, special districts, boards, commissions, the Regents of the University of California, California State University; and agencies thereof.
(3) "Pension" or "pension benefits" means a plan or trust providing a pension, benefit determined by a formula based on factors such as age, years of service, and compensation, or a plan or trust.
(h) The Legislature may adopt legislation implementing this section and only to further
the purposes of this section by a bill passed by roll call vote entered into the journal, two thirds
of the members concurring.
(i) Nothing in this Section shall terminate, amend, modify or in any way affect the retirement benefits or other benefits provided Members of the Legislature pursuant to Section 45 of Article IV.
G) Nothing in this section shall repeal, modify, change or impair the pension benefits of
persons who are receiving or are entitled to receive such benefits as a result of that person's retirement from public agency employment prior to the effective date of this section.
SECTION 4. Severability
The provisions of this Act are severable. If any provision of this Act or its application is held invalid, that finding shall not affect other provisions or applications that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application.
SECTION 5. Effective Date
This Act shall become effective immediately upon its approval by the voters pursuant to Section 10(a) of Article II. No public agency may enter into any employment contract or collective bargaining agreement providing for retirement benefits in excess of the limitations imposed by this Act.
The initiative above is at http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i938_initiative_11-0007.pdf
The GANN-type initiative is at http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i937_initiative_11-0006.pdf
UPDATE: A subsequent blog post on the LA Times website makes clear what the strategy of the initiatives' backers is. "As Gov. Jerry Brown mulls his options on how to bring an election on taxes to the voters, Republicans are readying election measures of their own. GOP operatives filed two initiatives with the attorney general's office Thursday -- one to curb public employee pensions and another aimed at capping future state spending -- in the event Brown walks away from talks with Republican lawmakers and opts for a November special election." See http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2011/03/republicans-file-pension-spending-measures-just-in-case-talks-with-jerry-brown-collapse.html
FURTHER UPDATE: Brown: Unions should be open to GOP concessions
Associated Press. 03/25/2011
SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Jerry Brown said Thursday that he has told his labor union allies they should be open to concessions that Republican lawmakers are seeking on public employee pensions in exchange for GOP votes on the budget. The Democratic governor has warned that if Republicans fail now, conservatives could try for even bigger giveaways with a future ballot initiative. As if on cue, Republicans filed two such initiatives with the state attorney general on Thursday...
Full story at http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_17699183
Taken at face value, the public is very concerned about the state budget situation (Figure 2 - scroll down below), there is slippage in support for a special election advocated by Gov. Brown on tax extensions (although a bare majority still support the plan – Figure 3), cutting public pensions is seen as a good way to balance the budget (Figure 4), and the way to reform public pensions is to move to a defined-contribution/401k approach (Figure 5).
You will note that I started with Figure 2 in the paragraph above. So let’s take a deep breath before over-interpreting Figures 2 through 5 and start by looking at Figure 1.
What we learn from Figure 1 is that most folks, even the politically sensitive “likely voters” crowd, are not spending sleepless nights worry about the state budget. For real people, “it’s the economy, stupid,” not the state budget. Of course, if they are asked about the budget, they will agree that it is a big problem – because that is what the news media are talking about. If they are asked if public pensions are a big problem, they will also agree – and for the same reason.
But note the question about fixing public pensions to deal with the budget (about which they are not losing sleep). It refers to the budget “this year.” Even interpreting “this year” to mean next fiscal year, none of the reform proposals, even the most drastic, have a material impact on the budget next fiscal year. All pension proposals are intended to address the unfunded liability of the various plans which is a longer-term issue.
What about the switch from defined-benefit plans to defined contribution? The pollster apparently did not define those terms other than a reference to 401k plans. So we don’t know whether the respondents know the difference between the two types. Indeed, we don’t know how many know what a 401k plan is. All I can tell you is that when I have taught grad students, they look blankly at you when you first throw out those terms. I suspect that many persons who work at employers that offer 401k plans know there is a saving plan of some type available, but may not know exactly what section of the Internal Revenue Code apply to that plan. (Text continues below Figure 5.)
Figure 2:Figure 3:Figure 4:Figure 5:
As I noted in a prior post on a recent Field Poll, when a public pension question was asked, 48% of voters thought that public pensions were about right or not generous enough. Yet when remedies for public pensions were suggested, these were also supported. What these results really tell you is that the general public, even those more politically attuned than average, are not deeply involved with state and local issues but draw impressions from the news media. Responses to questions are sensitive to framing and suggestion. What voters might do in an actual election would depend critically on how the campaigns, pro and con, market their viewpoints through TV ads and other methods of outreach.
The full PPIC poll is at http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/survey/S_311MBS.pdf
A more complete analysis of the pension element in the PPIC and the Field polls can be found at the url below. Click on the pdf: